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| Hearts | Dec 12 2013, 06:15 PM Post #16 |
 
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So what you guys are saying basically, Super Perfect Cell was really strong even in Buu saga? I always had the impression that Vegeta and Goku were at least 1.5x Super perfect Cell.. So the gap between Goku and Vegeta didnt get lowered between Cell games and Buu saga? So Vegeta is actually really weak and Goku hasnt had a true rival since Cell games? So.. WTH Akira! I never liked how Vegeta was always treated, how he always lost and looked bad and when he finally had power he would be bound to lose right after.. Now i find out that Goku is like 8x Vegeta (ssj3 counted) by the time Buu saga comes around. I know this is off topic but.. still, im a bit schocked, i thought Vegeta could at least rival Goku a bit.. |
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| EMIYA | Dec 12 2013, 06:33 PM Post #17 |
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It's already implied that SSj2 Kid Gohan and SSj2 Majin Vegeta are relatively close to each other. With what I would say the kind of advantage Vegeta had over Gohan that Cell had over Goku during their fight or perhaps Zenkai Vegeta over Monster Zarbon Vegeta. The kind of gap (whatever that might be for you) where Goku and Vegeta won't be tanking punches from Gohan or anything and the kid can put in some damage, but they'll have a noticeable advantage. Something where they might have to use their full power but necessarily their full effort. And then there's SPC who is more than once implied to be on a rivaling range of SSj2 Kid Gohan so you can see how he'd fit in that same line, give or take a little if you wish. And then you have Pre-Majin Vegeta who was significantly weaker than SSj2 Goku. In the end, its sort of like this. Where as Gohan was just "weaker" than Goku Pre-Majin Vegeta was "significantly weaker" and when I've got Cell more or less rivaling Kid Gohan and with his regeneration, skills and all that typical jazz, I have to give to Cell after a close battle at best and at worst, I have Cell snapping Vegeta's neck. |
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| Hearts | Dec 12 2013, 07:27 PM Post #18 |
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Well i do like the fact that Goku said that he couldnt get stronger without adding more muscles during ROSAT training, meaning that he was hitting his physical limit.. but the fact that Vegeta is slightly weaker than CG Gohan is... kind of insulting in my eyes. But dont get me wrong, im not saying that youre insulting Vegeta, im saying AT insulted Vegeta :P btw, could you tell me when Piccolo says that thing about Vegeta? Edited by Hearts, Dec 12 2013, 07:48 PM.
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| + Majin Vegeta | Dec 12 2013, 08:03 PM Post #19 |
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Yes sadly  Vegeta pre Majin is roughly equal to SPC,he is welaer than Kid Gohan,Majin Boost is very high to me so Pre Majin Vegeta is still a good margin below CG Gohan |
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| SSJ | Dec 12 2013, 08:29 PM Post #20 |
 
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The only evidence that we have for Vegeta is his confidence at the Budokai. I'm sure he expected Goku to be at least close to Kid Gohan in power, and he was still confident in winning the tournament. Sure he may have known that Gohan lost some power, but he was still expecting high gains from Goku. After all, training in he afterlife has yielded tremendous gains in the past. Vegeta being aware of this would expect the same from Goku. We have statements saying that Pre Majin Vegeta < Kid Gohan, but I think this is enough to put him close, in rivalling range. |
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| EMIYA | Dec 13 2013, 03:42 AM Post #21 |
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As Vegeta is fighting Fat Boo, Piccolo remarks that Vegeta might be even stronger than Gohan when he fought Cell. Now we already have a statement from Vegeta indicating that Goku was stronger than Kid Gohan and we know Post-Majin Vegeta was as basically stated, dead equal with Goku. Initially we had Vegeta's statement which just put Post-Majin Vegeta above Gohan on an unspecified level. Piccolo's remark helps us lower it down so that we can imply that while Vegeta (and subsequently Goku) are a head of Kid Gohan, its not by anything significant and wasn't enough for Piccolo to see the difference firmly. |
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| lunar2 | Dec 13 2013, 04:04 AM Post #22 |
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piccolo is crap at gauging those more powerful than he is. he's pretty much admitted this himself, back with frieza. if piccolo is able to tell there is a gap between fighters over 10x as powerful as himself, then you'd best believe there is a pretty significant gap. he couldn't sense the gap between initial frieza and base goku, and they were only twice as strong as he was. piccolo's perspective is simply crap. now, on to vegeta' before vegeta knew that gohan was actually weaker than before, he was already questioning the gap between gohan and himself. once he realized gohan was weaker, he treated him like trash. so at the very least, vegeta is closer to kid gohan than teen gohan, possibly as high as kid gohan, but not higher. say teen gohan is 1 and kid gohan is 1.3. vegeta is at least 1.2. spc is, arguably, as strong or even a bit stronger than ssj2 kid gohan. so he's anywhere from 1.2 to 1.4 so he most likely has a power advantage over vegeta. however, cell has no amped attacks, unlike vegeta. cell is at a serious skill disadvantage here, that may just be enough to negate any power advantage he has, making this a roughly equal fight. that brings it down to cell's 3 other abiltiies to win this. 1. he is faster than he should be for his power. 2. he can regenerate. 3. he can pop out little distractions that might just give him an opening. |
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| OmegaSaiyan2 | Dec 13 2013, 04:31 PM Post #23 |
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SSJ2 M,Vegeta >= SSJ2 Pre Majin Vegeta = SSJ2 Kid Gohan >>= Super Perfect Cell Vegeta Is A Bit Stronger In Terms Of Power But Don´t Forget Skills,Tecniques And Regeneration. Could Go Either Way Or Cell Wins In A Very Hard Fight |
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| Mightiest Gohan | Dec 13 2013, 05:03 PM Post #24 |
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Pre Majin SSJ2 Vegeta is slightly stronger than CG SSJ2 Goku so He can't win. Main or Post Majin SSJ2 Vegeta takes this. |
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Super Buu: So, hotshot! You want to fight Majin Buu? Gohan: Fight you? No. I wanna kill you! | |
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| Hearts | Dec 13 2013, 05:51 PM Post #25 |
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Something is wrong with Buu sagas powerlevels, theres no way i will believe that Vegeta is weaker than CG Gohan, in the same way i will never believe that Gotenks is like 500x Goku.. Before all of this i would have put Vegeta at a little less than SPC as a SSJ 1 and SSJ 2 Vegeta being almost 2x SPC and Majin Vegeta being almost 2.5x.. I like those numbers.. Screw this, im becoming a Vegeta fanboy to defend his honor! |
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| OmegaSaiyan2 | Dec 13 2013, 09:05 PM Post #26 |
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By That Logic:SSJ2 Majin Vegeta ? SSJ2 Goku > SSJ2 Vegeta > Majin Vegeta SSJ ? SSJ Goku > SSJ2 Gohan >= Super Perfect Cell >= SSJ Vegeta >>> FPPC I Don´t Think The Saiyans Became So Much Stronger,I Have: CG Vegeta MSSJ:13 CG Goku MSSJ:13.5 CG Gohan MSSJ:17 PM Vegeta mssj:17 M Vegeta MSSJ:17.5[/quote] |
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| Hearts | Dec 13 2013, 10:14 PM Post #27 |
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[/quote]Basically yeah, but for the past decade ive believed that they were ALOT stronger than Cell.. So basically CG Vegeta = 25 CG Goku = 50 CG Gohan = 70 Perfect Cell = 100 SSJ 2 Gohan = 140 SP Cell = 140 SSJ Vegeta = 120 SSJ 2 Vegeta = 240 SSJ Goku = 140 SSJ 2 Goku = 280 Majin Vegeta = 280 SSJ 3 Goku = 1120 But this is all based on opinions (and roughly the fact that Goku said that Cell isnt that strong anymore).. And I understand why everyone believes that they hit their physical limits during the Cell Games.. Im just being stubborn :P |
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| Terra Crisis XII | Dec 15 2013, 02:00 AM Post #28 |
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Simple my friend, Akira Toriyama hates Vegeta, its his least favorite character, AT has stated that in interviews, thats why Vegeta gets treated like a pile of used up tampons dip in blended horse sh*t 
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| + Majin Vegeta | Dec 15 2013, 11:00 AM Post #29 |
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SSj2 Pre Majin Vegeta should barely be at SPC level,Majin Vegeta was barely more powerfull than Kid Gohan let alone Pre Majin one
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"Its only when we're pushed to our limits that we can truly shine!" Majin Vegeta | |
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